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Nudists: The Frontline of Defense

News Type: Other — Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:01 PM EST
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By bFranco

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Do you think nudists represent freedom?

Yes, they are our frontline of defense.
No, they represent our social decline.
Don't really care either way.
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  • Yes, they are our frontline of defense.
    70%
  • No, they represent our social decline.
    7%
  • Don't really care either way.
    23%

VoteTotal Votes: 30

If you see nudist warriors in the wild, be sure to thank them.

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Early this past summer, I went down to a paradisaic beach at a famed resort destination in Europe, laid out my towel and suddenly noticed the hairy, nude bum next to my face thinking that perhaps, that was not how I had envisioned my paradise beach moment. This kind of thing is obviously not common in the U.S., as it can only be done in the privacy of one's home or specialized, controlled locations (read PRIVATE), so it's not something I'm used to. Of course, on occasion one might find oneself on a U.S. beach looking at practically the exact same thing, except for the dental floss between the cheeks, but never totally nude.

As my eyes and mind adjusted to the reality next to me, I began to study my surroundings more carefully. It seemed I had stumbled upon and chosen to bathe at a nudist beach. Bare bodies were everywhere. As they were born, there they lay, swam, walked, and played. For a moment, I contemplated whether I may have been overdressed for this particular location, but I wasn't the only bathing suit clad being at the beach. Here we found ourselves mingling unabashedly and uncaring of each other's presence or chosen attire. There were all types of people, wearing every level of coverage, from full to none. Why didn't anyone care? Why didn't anyone stare or gawk at those who dared to play so freely? Why are we so shocked by nudity, by our own birth clothes? by our own bodies? Worse still, why are we offended by it? In a country that prides itself on liberty and freedom of expression, why are we so repressed?

Other countries obviously don't see it the same way, considering my experience at that beach. There seemed to be some informal segregation at other beaches though, where you had the nudists mainly sticking to one specific section of the beach. This seemed to be more because of the nudists' own preference than that of the clothed bathers. Is our nudity such a bad thing? Are we so wretched a creature in our own skin that we must not allow anyone to be seen in it? If this is so, if this is so immoral, then why are we born this way?

I've heard a number of so called christians in the U.S. claiming the immorality and sinful nature of nakedness, and yet, their holy books, their word of god, says nothing about clothing or nakedness being wrong. The Vatican, the Catholic Church's own bastion of holiness, is covered in nakedness. Naked bodies cover many of its walls, ceilings, and hallways. Many of its images are naked. So what's all the fuss about? Where's the offense? Did their god not create them naked?

I was watching a news broadcast where they interviewed a woman who was in favor of banning nudists entirely in Europe. She said that it was offensive to her children, to their sensitivity. Were her four year old and six year old children no longer innocent at that age that they saw the nakedness as sexual, immoral and offensive? How did they become this way at such a young age? Who took away their innocence? Their nakedness? They see breasts as food. They're still discovering themselves, the world. Their parents fight with them to clothe them. Their awareness of nakedness and its corresponding offense is a learned behavior.

The woman was adamant about it and her neighbors were clamoring to start a ban at their local beach, which everyone shared freely for as long as anyone could remember, clothed and unclothed, with no complaints. Sure, not all naked bodies are what one would call attractive, but in this age of political correctness, do we dare hold it against those who were unfortunately born with a not so favorable figure? Perhaps the naked folks reminded this woman of her own ugliness, of the darkness of her thoughts, her lost innocence. Shouldn't someone have called social services and removed her children away from her corruption, her disgusting view of our own natural state?

The U.S. is repressed enough. Hell, look at all the hoopla about a "wardrobe malfunction". But if Europe begins to head in a similar direction, will we then be all wearing burkas in a distant future, offended by our image in the bathroom mirror, offended by our having been born naked? Perhaps someone will develop a condom like apparatus to cover our bodies as we exit our mother's womb. I'm sure that would please quite a few people, especially the woman in the broadcast or some other "religious" folk. We need not be offended by how we are born. We need not be offended by our nakedness. One should really look at the reason why one feels this offense before trying to repress other people's freedom and lack of insecurity about their bodies. Those who dare go out naked in public are normally outside society's definition of perfection, so one can't claim that they're sure of themselves because they have perfect bodies. How can they have such a sense of security about their bodies, about themselves? How can they dare to show themselves to the world?

The U.S., that great bastion of freedom, loves to control that so called freedom and box it into locked spaces where no one can see it or experience it beyond what society (and the government) dictates. Its nudists, like native americans and other classifications before them, exist only in "reservations", called nudist colonies, camps, areas. Society boxes them in, labels them perverts, immoral, pedophiles, sinners, corrupt, pornographers, etc. It's a crime. You commit a crime, which means you are a criminal, should you find yourself "exposed" (read in your own natural skin, your body, something you can't get rid of or away from) in public. Who is the corrupt, sick, pedophile, immoral pervert? A person who walks around naked? or the one who looks at him and whose mind is dirty and judges him as such? Are you a pervert because you're naked? because you're unashamed about what your god decided you should be born with? Perhaps it's the one who saw the person's nakedness as something sexual, sick, dirty, corrupt and sinful. It is that person who would take away your liberty and your freedom to cover up his/her own mental illness.

Freedom is something that is very hard to come by and very easy to lose. If you take one out, others follow quickly and with great ease. So as I pondered upon those people on the beach, I couldn't help but look at them in a new way. I couldn't help but see them and think of them as something much more than nudists enjoying paradise. I began to see them in a new light. Their nakedness was their weapon. Their nudity was their bullet. They were fighters in a grand war, a war that has been fought since the beginning of time, a war for freedom. Their quiet statement, as small as it may seem to many, is a major battle for our bodies, for society, for the freedom to exist as we are, for the freedom to live freely beyond the simple nakedness of ourselves. In Europe, if nudity goes, toplessness will follow, and the government will soon be telling you how you can dress on the street, in your yard, in your house. In the U.S. we're not that far off from that (though improving in some areas), but should their freedom to be naked disappear, should nudists be unable to find themselves nude in the openness of even those separate "reservations", it will be one freedom closer to losing another, and another.

It's bad enough as it is with Big Brother keeping such a close eye upon our lives, we don't need to give in our bodies and ourselves to further scrutiny, to further repression. The nudists are our unsung heroes, our warriors on the front lines. They fight when we dare not. We dare not go naked into the night, into the fight. They dare. They go. They live… free. They're free so we can be.

So I looked around the paradisaic beach and thought that perhaps this was my paradise beach moment after all. Perhaps I should make their freedom mine. I stood up, undid my bathing suit, and as I was ready to bare it all to the world...

...I decided to thank every one of them instead, our heroes, our frontline of defense: the nudist.

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So what do you think? Are we too repressed? Are nudists accidental bastions of freedom? Sound off.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:17 PM EST
Ergo

I think we´re not necessarily too repressed. What I do believe is that the freedom to go nude should be protected. I agree with you in that it leads to other freedoms.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:26 PM EST
bFranco

There are many things repressed and others not so much. It also varies from state to state. The overall social consciousness is overall more on the repressed side considering events such as the wardrobe malfunction and Disney's digital reduction of Lindsey Lohan's breasts in the Herbie movie because their size might be offensive to children. Despite this, the U.S. still has a lot more freedom than many countries, but in the naturism area Europe has them beat by far. There have been places in the U.S. where I haven't felt all that repressed either, but there are others where I haven't felt free at all. I think I meant more overall, though I'm happy your experience hasn't been that bad.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:59 PM EST
MrFrost

My girlferiend grew up in Germany. She said they have no problems with nudity, and she doesn't undersstand why we, (the U.S.) do. On our very first date, she took me to her house and we watched a movie, she came out of the bathroom stark naked to grab her purse and go back to the bathroom. Never said a word, didnt even look at me. I didnt say anything either. She came out in a nightgown and we finsished up the movie.

A day or two later I asked her about it, and the following conversation ensued:

Her: Have you ever seen a naked woman?

Me: Yes.

Her: So what's the big deal?

Mind you, I wasnt offended in any way, when I am home, I usually just wear a t shirt unless of course there is company or kids.

The next time we went out, I picked her up. At the end of her street, I took off all my clothing and got back in the car, (thank goodness for heated seats). I pulled up and she came out, and jumped in the car. She laughed until she cried.

Point is that nudity in MY opinion is an outdated morality. Around food? Um...maybe should cover up. Kids? Yea...then to. But for the most part? I am not sure why we as a society cover up.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:53 PM EST
bFranco

That's a very funny story, and it certainly helps to illustrate how Europeans overall are certainly more mature about nudity than Americans on the whole (though maybe not as much as many Americans would like to believe as it varies a lot from country to country and even within each country's regions). As a society, I think it goes way beyond covering up though. It's more about nudity as a moral offense, which I agree is an outdated morality, but also believe is a reflection of a corrupted view of their own bodies. I unfortunately have often seen that we're taught to giggle and keep nudity taboo, as something wrong, dirty, or sexually deviant, perpetuating this parochial view of the body as a fountain of sinfulness. :)

Just pondering...

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST
MarkD-555

The US is sexually repressed? YES.

Very much so. Just compare us to any other country, we are more sexually repressed than most.

In fact, I challenge anyone to name a more sexually repressed country than the USA that is not a theocracy.

Our media though is more violent. Who would think that watching murder is more acceptable for children and young adults than non-sexual nudity?

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 10:44 PM EST
bFranco

Our media though is more violent. Who would think that watching murder is more acceptable for children and young adults than non-sexual nudity?

It's mind-boggling to think that a woman's breast is so offensive, but blowing someone up is perfectly ok. Violence is perfectly fine for anyone to view, but our naked bodies are the greatest offense in the world, punishable by law. I've always found that amazingly ridiculous but it's the reality in the U.S. To me there's nothing ok about shooting someone versus someone naked or engaging in a consensual sex act. It's just wrong. Violence over nature over love. National values have some serious issues when viewed in this light, but unfortunately that's the sad reality we can watch on TV every day.

Just pondering...

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:40 AM EST
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Evan8891

I think that the U.S. is too repressed is an absurd remark, especially when used in a warning tone that the inability to go nude will advance the repression. If repression is anywhere in sight, it's in the near future. Of course, having seen so many of our President's campaign promises gone untouched, maybe we won't end up repressed.

    Reply#2 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 4:05 PM EST
    bFranco

    It's not that not being able to go nude will advance the repression, but here, being able to be nude, as you were born, with your birth clothes is used as an example of how a liberty, albeit a small one, particularly in the U.S., can represent further freedoms and liberties. Also, how that small bit of freedom, to exist as you are, if taken away further (because yes, you are repressed from being as you are in most places lest you be arrested for indecent exposure), can lead to other freedoms being taken away for similar reasons. It's a question of setting a precedent, socially or legally. :)

    • 3 votes
    #2.1 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 6:03 PM EST
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    GEEZER-guy

    Maybe it's just human nature to want to tell others how to live their life. So many of our phobias are learned (often from parents) so maybe some of the American discomfort with the human form might be a throwback to the Puritan mindset. The Saudis are fearful of seeing ANY of the females for fear of uncontrollable urges. How is that working out? Ask anyone who's spent time there...

    Fear is today's favorite motivator; it need not be specified to be effective. "Live & Let Live" is not so easy to enforce.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 4:06 PM EST
    Evan8891

    Well it's certainly hard to enforce. One thing history will show us is that "Live and let Live" is not attainable. Here is why: Group A has been the dominant voice in country X for 100 years. Suddenly Group B begins to rise into the dominance of voice. Previously, they were silenced by Group A because Group A was so overwhelming.

    Live and let live would lead Group B to forget their resentment towards Group A for all the years they were unable to voice their opinion. But, instead, rather than be equal, Group B wants to avenge their "oppression" over the years. This starts another 100 year cycle, and then it starts all over when Group A starts to rise up again.

    • 3 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST
    bFranco

    Agreed on both counts. You can basically pick any country and find a battle of Group B fighting to avenge what happened X number of years ago (often generations ago, when none of the "offended" were even born) that Group A did to "them". When a certain group sees they can get the upper hand, Live and let live becomes a complicated affair indeed.

    The Saudis are fearful of seeing ANY of the females for fear ofuncontrollable urges. How is that working out? Ask anyone who's spent time there...

    You can see a bit of my opinion on that matter in my slightly satirical article here on Newsvine: Guy Code or Why Women Will Never Rule the World. But it's definitely a learned and inherited behavior. It has improved in some areas and gone backwards in others. Some countries have unfortunately failed to improve, particularly when it comes to the freedom of women. It boils down to fear and power for the most part. It's very unfortunate imho.

    Perhaps it may be the puritan mindset that has affected Americans collectively, and of course, we have continued to teach this paradigm generation after generation, improving slightly from one to the other, but nothing groundbreaking despite the 60s. We of course display the body, but sexualize it and elevate its perfection as what to aspire to when it comes to marketing it to sell products, but it's quite different when it comes to average people on the street. I think average people tend to have a negative reaction to themselves when bombarded by these campaigns as well. It causes one to constantly compare oneself and therefore feel ashamed or embarrassed by one's own body, beauty, nature, etc. It could very well be that this particularly promotes or affects collective social thought as to nudity and the freedom to exist in nude form.

    Just pondering...

    • 4 votes
    #3.2 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 6:19 PM EST
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    stringsinger

    "I've heard a number of so called christians in the U.S. claiming the immorality and sinful nature of nakedness, and yet, their holy books, their word of god, says nothing about clothing or nakedness."

    Fortunately, there are a growing number of Christians who recognize that the bible contains no proscriptions against simple nudity, and that the American aversion to the unadorned body stems instead, from cultural assumptions which have no basis in scripture. For more information on naturism/nudism from a Christian perspective, I would direct your attention to the Fig Leaf Forum: http://www.figleafforum.com/

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 11:21 PM EST
    bFranco

    Thanks for the link stringsinger. It's a very nice explanation that perhaps might help some Christians understand that there's nothing wrong with their own naked body and more particularly nothing sinful in the way their God made them in his own image. Excellent. :)

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:13 AM EST
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    Freddd

    I'm a card carrying nudist and have been for getting on close to 20 years and an informal one most all my life. I think that our culture's hatred and fear of their own bodies and those of others leads quite literally to a kind of insanity which we see expressed in pornagraphy and child porn, with rape and other violence not to mention a host of psychiatric problems and psychosomatic illnesses. I was harassed about my body form for decades since 5 years old, beaten, threatened with rape and otherwise bady treated in locker rooms and public pools and beaches, but only by non nudists.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:38 AM EST
    bFranco

    I definitely agree with you. This fear and hatred doesn't only lead to these social ills and symptoms, but it is the illness itself. There are societies that don't have these issues. Look at all the tribes around the world throughout our history, including the ones that exist now that run around naked and don't have these problems with uncontrolled lust, pedophilia, rape or other social problems of this nature. They're not afraid of their naked body. They don't look at another naked body and automatically sexualize it and have irrational, uncontrolled sexual thoughts with it. They don't look at a woman's breast and go, "Oh my God! Cover that quickly! Otherwise we'll all be corrupted!!! Think of the children!!!" They're very aware that their children just finished eating from that breast and are happy to continue unclothed while running around the village with no issues or thoughts about it.

    You've obviously gone through a terrible experience and yet, have been able to rise above it by being a card carrying nudist and comfortable in your birth clothes. That's excellent. Perhaps some day, us non-nudists will learn to rise above and accept our nude bodies and be unafraid to walk around in them when weather conditions allow, and to be able to look at each other without irrationally and uncontrollably sexualizing absolutely everything and anything under the sun, painting it in such an unhealthy, negative light. In the mean time, people like you, help people like us open our eyes to ourselves. Thanks. :)

    Just pondering...

    • 5 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:36 AM EST
    katrix

    I can't help but wonder, though - most men, especially in their younger years, sport woodies when they see naked women (and when they see trees, or interstates, or when they just breathe). If I were hanging around with a bunch of naked men who weren't at attention, that would be one thing - but yep, I guess I'm repressed, because unlike a breast, an erect penis always denotes sexuality to me. And I would feel uncomfortable seeing one that I wasn't planning to pay personal attention to.

    That's what we'll have to get over. Would I get upset if my boyfriend gets a woody when he sees my hot friend naked? If he's wearing clothes, I might not notice if he does. Remember, most other countries are also more accepting of infidelity.

    I hope we never get into the former European customs of using the toilet in front of others, though. Body parts are one thing, but bodily functions like that ... nah, not unless it's necessary.

    As far as the argument that we don't all look good naked goes, though ... many of us don't look good in clothes if we wear things that are too tight or too baggy. That shouldn't ever be an issue. A nude beach isn't a playboy shoot.

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:33 PM EST
    bFranco

    Spontaneous erections happen to men all the time. They are a healthy bodily function and they are normally measured during sleep in order to determine whether there's any erectile disfunction. As we grow older we have much greater control over them during our waking hours and don't suffer the embarrassment of their occurrence during adolescence (having to go up to the blackboard with one and what not).

    I definitely understand the discomfort an erect penis might cause, particularly out in the open. This is an extremely common question asked of nudist organizations and most say that they don't happen often, as the environment is non-sexual (for first timers the discomfort alone prevents this from happening). It's a lot less when there's no clothes than when there are clothes due to clothes enhancing certain features (like bikinis, thongs and what not) and the psychologically programmed aspect of certain clothes being sensual. On the rare occasion when an erection occurs men should simply don a towel, turn over, or go into cold water.

    The fact that one might feel a momentary attraction to someone other than one's spouse doesn't denote a necessary infidelity as it is an absolutely natural reaction of the body. If one is dishonest about it or takes it beyond the simple bodily reaction, then definitely, one might question that other person's actions, thoughts, or what not, but of course, there are as many definitions of relationships as there are stars in the sky, so we each have our own way of living them with our own sets of rules and what not.

    Remember, most other countries are also more accepting of infidelity.

    One would be surprised how little acceptance there is to infidelity throughout the world, though I will admit that the more male chauvinistic or misogynistic cultures of the world tend to view it with more leniency though only when it comes to men being unfaithful. I mention it making the distinction between the acceptance of infidelity (not very accepted) and the actual statistical occurrence of infidelity (statistics point to it being higher than any of us would like to believe), though by its secretive nature it's hard to measure. What constitutes an infidelity and how far one has to go to have actually incurred in one is an entirely different story as it varies from person to person. Getting over seeing one's boyfriend have an erection over someone else might be difficult for some, but not for others. A mature and honest discussion about it generally helps as well when these things occur.

    The point is that nudism and sex don't have to be synonymous, and perhaps we should make the distinction between one and the other, between what is a natural bodily function or occurrence and an actual desire to jump someone else's bones. As to other bodily functions, they should definitely remain private, imho, unless as you say, there's no other available option. :)

    As far as the argument that we don't all look good naked goes, though ...many of us don't look good in clothes if we wear things that are too tight or too baggy. That shouldn't ever be an issue. A nude beach isn't a playboy shoot.

    The problem is that it's an issue for a lot of people. The expectations that society has placed upon ourselves, our looks, our clothes, our bodies take their toll on us on a daily basis, both consciously and unconsciously. It's very stressful to many people, creating discomfort and sometimes even leading to eating disorders. At a nudist beach everyone is out in the open, without clothes to hide or enhance the body, so one can see that perhaps that little bit of under fat is not that bad, that the wrinkles are ok, that the sag where it should zig is fine too. Hell, a playboy shoot probably isn't really a playboy shoot either. The fantasy of photoshop is never quite the reality of life. :)

    Just pondering...

    • 3 votes
    #5.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:28 AM EST
    DaVoHDeleted
    katrix

    Can I get airbrushing if I'm on a nude beach? I love the actresses who actually point out how their photos have been photoshopped to make their great bodies look ... something. Kinda sick.

      #5.4 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:54 PM EST
      bFranco

      The point is that photoshopped or airbrushed or painted or whatever social fantasies are included in our media have nothing to do with the reality of the human body and creates false and unhealthy expectations of ourselves. At a nudist beach no one would care how we look so all that is unnecessary. :)

      • 2 votes
      #5.5 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:10 AM EST
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      D2-686590

      No problem with it. If more of us were comfortable with ourselves, we might be more lenient and forgiving of others!

      • 4 votes
      Reply#6 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:47 AM EST
      bFranco

      Yes, and we might stop projecting our own discomfort and insecurities upon others or having unreal expectations about ourselves and what we were born with. :) Completely agree.

      • 4 votes
      #6.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST
      Ergo

      No problem with it. If more of us were comfortable with ourselves, we might be more lenient and forgiving of others!

      I completely agree with you too; we probably wouldn't be as judgemental of ourselves or of others. At the end of the day, what's the big deal?

      • 3 votes
      #6.2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:22 PM EST
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      DaVoH

      I love being nekkid, I am most comfortable that way...

      • 4 votes
      Reply#7 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:54 PM EST
      bFranco

      I think a lot of people would agree with you, yet wouldn't dare to leave even the shower without covering up. How was it that that Luscious Jackson song went: "Being naked is divine, naked is a state of mind..." :)

      Just pondering...

      • 3 votes
      #7.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST
      DaVoH

      During an away football game, I was dared to run across the parking lot wearing nothing but a helmet. Man it was cold that night...

      • 2 votes
      #7.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:31 PM EST
      bFranco

      That's great that you dared to face your nudity, though in the cold, I think most nudists would happily don clothing to protect their bodies. Nudists are not against wearing clothing when appropriate and perhaps that sounds like it was an appropriate time.

      My point about the shower is that most people are not comfortable enough with themselves and their bodies to be naked. Society has pressured us and programmed us to cover up at all times, and it is difficult for most of us to overcome that programming. Yes, perhaps one might do it because of a "dare", as a comedic moment (more often in college with a couple of beers), but under normal circumstances it would be much more uncomfortable and a lot of people would even be uncomfortable watching it. :)

      Just pondering...

      • 2 votes
      #7.3 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:40 AM EST
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      sunnybunny1269

      I do find it a little ridiculous that we are supposed to be so free, but such a simple thing is so widely repressed. I think more nudity and more freedom is definitely a good thing.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:30 PM EST
      ultra low frequency

      i am a poet living here in the PNW...i have read many times completely nude before crowds of 100+...not an issue...i've had sex in public, nude and witnessed...i could care less what some woman thinks of me being erect...chances are she's NOT going to get it so she should pay it no mind...i like being nude and insist that any woman sleeping in my bed MUST be the same...otherwise...go home and call me when you are done feeling shy...

        Reply#9 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:36 AM EST
        katrix

        i've had sex in public, nude and witnessed

        Nothing wrong with that if you like it, but that's a level of exhibitionism that most nudists don't have. The thrill of possibly getting caught is more exciting for me than actually having other people watch.

        and insist that any woman sleeping in my bed MUST be the same

        Some people prefer to sleep in clothes, and not necessarily due to shyness. You expect people to accept you for who you are - you need to accept if someone wants to wear something to bed, too.

        • 2 votes
        #9.1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:57 PM EST
        bFranco

        I'm happy for you ultra_low_frequency that you're comfortable with yourself, but I think that nudists as a whole would not share your way of viewing it as they seem to prefer to not call attention to themselves but simply to feel free in nature and in the world as they were born (a less aggressive approach perhaps).

        They also wouldn't care about someone wearing clothes in bed as that person might simply feel cold at night and they are accepting of other people's feelings. People have different temperature tolerances and even in the sun where one might feel hot, someone else might feel a bit cold. It varies, so as katrix pointed out, it's not necessarily shyness and you might consider accepting her wanting to cover herself up. Like everything else, I think overall it's about respecting each other, nude or clothed. :)

        Just pondering...

        • 2 votes
        #9.2 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:30 AM EST
        Freddd

        My nudist ex-wife of many decades wears a flannel shirt to bed to keep her shoulders warm after being nude all day. My GF is the same. I met old guys living at nudist clubs in Florida who didn't take off the sweat pants and sweat shirt and knit hat until it hit 90 degrees. I've met others comfortable at 50 degrees in their skin. And most nudists I have met are not in the least exhibitionistic and are really quite private people. Being nude isn't generally about sex for most nudists I know. The two are quite separate. Erections just are not things one normally sees at nudist clubs. It isn't at all a sexually charged atmosphere. It's only that in the fantasies of textile compulsives.

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        #9.3 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:16 AM EDT
        bFranco

        Thanks for the wonderful insight Freddd. :)

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        #9.4 - Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
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        ultra low frequency

        didn't mean to touch any naked nerves...lol...just stating how i am with the whole idea of nudity...and yeah, i'm flexible about that sleep ware thing...as long as they come off within a decent time...and if you are cold in bed, move a little closer...

          Reply#10 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:53 AM EST
          D2-686590

          It all gets down to the comfort level you have with yourself. to accept it or not. Unfortunately the ones who complain get the notice. Like religion, you really shouldn't force others to believe what you believe. Live and let live. COEXIST!

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          Reply#11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:02 PM EST
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